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Sustainers - Yes or NO!

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I've just returned from my local slope where the 'breeze' was zero to two mph despite a forecast of five to six mph.
However, I had a thoroughly enjoyable session made possible with the help of the motor in the nose of my semi-scale glider which I turned on for just five seconds every three or four minutes.

I had a couple of twenty minute flights in conditions that I wouldn't have dared to attempt with an unpowered glider and this turned what could have been a frustrating trip into a satisfying visit to the North Downs.

The only sour note was the litter left by picnickers on the top of the slope and the McDonalds trash thoughtlessly discarded by visitors to the car parking area. Once again I cleared the litter and deposited it the bin in the nearby village - I still cannot understand why people cannot dispose of food containers and drinks bottles properly!!!

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Mike E wrote :-The other aspect of this thread is where does a sustainer stop and power begin?
Chris’s article is great and Chris’s attitude to sustainers is also very good. I can see no reason why anyone would complain about his actions . He launches and recovers when necessary, with a soft motor on a model that is flown in light conditions. He flies in an area where agreements are in place and he respects them.


So where exactly is the problem?

Surly as chairman of the LAMA you are not suggesting that because some odd flyer may not fly in the manner that Chris does, that he may flaunt the rules, therefore no one can use sustainers on the Mynd, or are you?
If that odd flyer has no care for your rules he will fly there in the same manner anyway, so you are no better off.

Also it is talked about 'when used in an event'. We use them when and where they are required, perhaps every day perhaps not, not just in an event. Chris in his video which you admired was not in an event.He was at White sheet, land owned by the N.T.

However I believe I am correct in saying that the ban relating to the Mynd is total at all the times, at any time, and to any one.

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I remember years ago when my father dragged me to every event going in the UK, most models were 1/5th scale. At 1 event, someone hauled a 1/4 scale Minimoa up the hill to a mixed reception... most were amazed and the minority were negative saying it was too big and dangerous.

Turn up at any event these days and see how many 1/3rd scale and bigger models are present. This is a natural evolution of the hobby. But not a take over, just another version what we were all doing 30 or 40 years ago with a little insurance policy on the front.

All the guys I fly with who have motors fitted are extremely competent pilot's and will only use the motor at the point of no return. This will probably last for a 30 second use of the motor to get back to a safe height. Surely this is better and safer than risking landing out of sight!

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terry white
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Cliff and friends, I apologize if my postings have offended anyone, :oops: That was certainly not the intention.
I may be straight to the point at times but this is only due to me trying to get a definitive answer to my questions. I believe that through this thread many flyers will have a much better understanding of sustainers and why we use them. I am sincerely hoping that in the future they will be allowed on the Mynd and my colleges and I will once again join the happy band of the Wolves club. Regards to all Ter.

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Post by alibodin »

An interesting discussion indeed, however I had a wry smile, as when registering we are encouraged "to register with your full name, and not some weird " avatar".", just curious why this would appear not to apply to Scale Police unless that really is their name. ;)

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Post by matt »

We have to conform every day of our lives. Hobbies are for pleasure and the individuals choice, not of their peer. In the vast scheme of things doe's it really matter if it's scale or not?(If it was to the nth degree no one would meet the criteria). We could all be dead tomorrow!

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matt - depends on the individual how much scale, but as for me, for example, the See Adler had rope around the base of the fuselage for mooring, so instead of using a bit of string, I made a rope walk and spun my own scale rope. Some may think I am crazy, but I like a challenge, but I would not even contemplate a propeller after all the effort I put in to it

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I don't know what to say Vince, Seems that you are in the wrong hobby to me.You should have been a model railway enthusiast, they spend their time in a similar manner but don't fight the elements with it when its finished. My mothers words come to mind when I would take my latest efforts home in a dustbin liner. She would say, while shaking her head, hands in the sink, "all that work night after night, all that pocket money gone on bits and pieces, all that loving care to paint it, and then you go and chuck it off some hill. :lol:

To bring the thread back on line,what I will say is that I agree you could not have a prop on the front of such a lovely aircraft as that,that would be sacrilege. However if heavens forbid you should be flying it one day when you've not made peace with the wind gods and they stop blowing. With your lovely lovely model slowly descending into the abis below.With your buttocks clenched, you might, just might,be heard to say:-

"Now I agree that on the right aircraft a sustainer makes good sense". :o Kind regards Ter.

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Post by ARUP »

Yes or no... it depends! If flying for fun then yes... put one on if you wish! If at a scale contest then no. The contest organizers should have tow planes willing and able... right? Never say never but I don't think I'll ever put one on any of my models unless the full scale version had one. Not having a propped nose keeps me motivated to attend the next aerotow event! Also, I don't 'do' scale contests! I ain't paying good money to have people tell me how crummy my model is when I know it is 'crummier' than they think! :lol:

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