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Sustainers - Yes or NO!

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Re: Sustainers - Yes or NO!

Post by Cliff Evans » 20 Jul 2018, 19:50

Pat, I don't think there is a problem with tugs. This all stems from a difference of opinion about sustainers being allowed or not, on the Mynd! We could always set up a "semi scale" forum.

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Post by Ian Stromberg » 20 Jul 2018, 20:28

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Re: Sustainers - Yes or NO!

Post by Cliff Evans » 20 Jul 2018, 20:45

What is good is that this topic has stimulated some great discussion!

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Post by eric friend » 20 Jul 2018, 21:52

I've just returned from my local slope where the 'breeze' was zero to two mph despite a forecast of five to six mph.
However, I had a thoroughly enjoyable session made possible with the help of the motor in the nose of my semi-scale glider which I turned on for just five seconds every three or four minutes.

I had a couple of twenty minute flights in conditions that I wouldn't have dared to attempt with an unpowered glider and this turned what could have been a frustrating trip into a satisfying visit to the North Downs.

The only sour note was the litter left by picnickers on the top of the slope and the McDonalds trash thoughtlessly discarded by visitors to the car parking area. Once again I cleared the litter and deposited it the bin in the nearby village - I still cannot understand why people cannot dispose of food containers and drinks bottles properly!!!

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Post by terry white » 20 Jul 2018, 22:32

Mike E wrote :-The other aspect of this thread is where does a sustainer stop and power begin?
Chris’s article is great and Chris’s attitude to sustainers is also very good. I can see no reason why anyone would complain about his actions . He launches and recovers when necessary, with a soft motor on a model that is flown in light conditions. He flies in an area where agreements are in place and he respects them.


So where exactly is the problem?

Surly as chairman of the LAMA you are not suggesting that because some odd flyer may not fly in the manner that Chris does, that he may flaunt the rules, therefore no one can use sustainers on the Mynd, or are you?
If that odd flyer has no care for your rules he will fly there in the same manner anyway, so you are no better off.

Also it is talked about 'when used in an event'. We use them when and where they are required, perhaps every day perhaps not, not just in an event. Chris in his video which you admired was not in an event.He was at White sheet, land owned by the N.T.

However I believe I am correct in saying that the ban relating to the Mynd is total at all the times, at any time, and to any one.

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Re: Sustainers - Yes or NO!

Post by catwok » 20 Jul 2018, 23:19

I remember years ago when my father dragged me to every event going in the UK, most models were 1/5th scale. At 1 event, someone hauled a 1/4 scale Minimoa up the hill to a mixed reception... most were amazed and the minority were negative saying it was too big and dangerous.

Turn up at any event these days and see how many 1/3rd scale and bigger models are present. This is a natural evolution of the hobby. But not a take over, just another version what we were all doing 30 or 40 years ago with a little insurance policy on the front.

All the guys I fly with who have motors fitted are extremely competent pilot's and will only use the motor at the point of no return. This will probably last for a 30 second use of the motor to get back to a safe height. Surely this is better and safer than risking landing out of sight!

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Post by Cliff Evans » 20 Jul 2018, 23:28

Due to the nature of some of the comments made in this topic, I would like to draw attention to rules 2 and 3 here: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1715

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Re: Sustainers - Yes or NO!

Post by terry white » 21 Jul 2018, 00:32

Cliff and friends, I apologize if my postings have offended anyone, :oops: That was certainly not the intention.
I may be straight to the point at times but this is only due to me trying to get a definitive answer to my questions. I believe that through this thread many flyers will have a much better understanding of sustainers and why we use them. I am sincerely hoping that in the future they will be allowed on the Mynd and my colleges and I will once again join the happy band of the Wolves club. Regards to all Ter.

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Post by Cliff Evans » 21 Jul 2018, 06:31

Terry, thanks for that. You are by no means the only one that can be straight to the point, I too have had my moments! And so have others on this topic! I agree that this discussion has and, I am sure will continue to be well subscribed to. However, I don't like to see members falling out over such trivial things, this is not what this forum is about. We are on the whole a friendly bunch of individuals, maybe a bit quirky here and there but, hey, there is nothing wrong with quirky! :geek: Is there?

By the way, the Scale Police Farce was suggested to me a while ago. They are a "tongue in cheek" lot, yes, more than one person! And always recruiting. Don't be too hard on them.

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Post by alibodin » 21 Jul 2018, 12:18

An interesting discussion indeed, however I had a wry smile, as when registering we are encouraged "to register with your full name, and not some weird " avatar".", just curious why this would appear not to apply to Scale Police unless that really is their name. ;)

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