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I have been sent an appointment to have a meeting with the Metro Mayor for the Bristol Area on the 27th October. He wishes to discuss our concerns regarding the licencing off drones for delivery and our overall treatment from the CAA. He has concerns in that he is engaged in recruiting youngsters to study Aeronautics with a view of going into design for our future flight programmes. some of the students have expressed concerns regarding the loss of airspace to modelers as for many of them, this is where they got their interest for their carrers in the first place.
The Mayor is already on our side!

If there are any questions you feel need to be asked or would like to ask or any views you would like to put accross please let me know. PM or email would be best as I don't really want to clutter up these pages. I am not afraid to ask anything of him and will be as straight with him as I can be. This could be a good chance, even better than other avenues we have been down regarding this matter.

Thanks to all.

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/sarcasm

Perhaps the commercial operators should work in the bits we already aren't allowed to use... i.e. stay within 50m of roads, vehicles etc. They at least, have the pockets to insure such operation, and fund the development of safe use... and very few of their customers are not on a road, vehicle or structure of some sort!

/off

Thanks Cliff! Hope it goes well!

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I think this could be resolved in ways which work for everyone. I spent several years flying full size gliders, and the airspace classification approach could work at low level as much as it does at high level. The problem is whether modellers are seen as equal partners in defining airpace types, or whether commercial operators get to carve up the sky how they like it (and take far more than they need), and modellers are left to pick up the pieces which they don't want. For flying sites outside towns, I would guess there isn't much demand for access by commercial delivery operators, apart from straight line operation while en route. detouring around at a safe distance should be more than possible.
So I think we should have airpace corridors for delivery, which could follow roads for example (I know Marc was being sarcastic above, but it's not such a silly idea). Exclusion zones where delivery drones must stay out should cover established flying sites (like ATZ/MATZ areas around airfields for full size), and then a general airspace where both are permitted. Risks of collision are extremely low in these areas, if we are realistic about the number of modellers and the number of delivery drones in these low density spaces. These areas could cover slope sites which are not formalised as flying sites, or people flying on their own farmland, and would be equivalent to class E airspace - uncontrolled. There is also no real justification for transponder devices (or FLARM) in these cases, as the expense vs risk doesn't stack up.

Good luck with the discussions!
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paulj wrote: 18 Nov 2021, 12:19 Not sure the industry agrees: The slow collapse of Amazon's drone delivery scheme
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I think in reality it does not pass the common sense test. They may have just gone pass the hype and realised.

Is every house to have a drone pad ? Otherwise how will they land safely, how do you deal with terrace etc houses and people walking by those and others.

There will probably need to be a 121 relationship flights v deliveries given no the size of those boxes, that probably kills the commercial angle.

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I agree that it is hard to see how the technical problems can really be overcome. Ironically, we actually have had some REAL TESTS down here in Cornwall with the Post Office flying mail to the Scilly isles but... the 'drone' actually looks like a big RC model of the type lots of us have been flying for years - no multirotors and it lands at an airport/ see the link:

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