Scale Soaring UK

Hi Cliff,

I know you prefer vintage gliders, but I would like to see something more modern available as an all built-up model. All moulded glass ship kits are getting very expensive.

Maybe something along the lines of an MDM1 Fox at 1:4, or larger, scale.

Martin.

Hi Cliff, how about a 1/3 scale ASK 21
Chris

A Lunak would be nice

hi cliff I think some modern glass ships would be great. I have been hoping that more members would have a go building with foam and epoxy / carbon with the methods that I use. so for I know of two that have had a go . I think most members are happier building with wood so some glass ships made in wood would be good for the sport. mike trew did some plans in the 70s/80s of some glass gliders but in 1/5 scale so some thing like that in construction but larger say 1/4 scale. maybe with round steel wing joiners. ROO

A SZD Jantar 1 at 1/4 scale would be nice or maybe a Slingsby Kestrel 19.

MarkDev wrote: ↑17 Jan 2018, 16:22 Something modern that penetrates well, can be used on slopes and aerotow, not too complicated in respects of control surfaces and could be motorised if needed? A good all rounder in the 1/3 to 1/1.25 (or 5-6m) size range without going to needing LMA/CAA muscles to carry! Larger Dart, ASW17, HP18 up to Shark etc, etc?

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking Mark... 1/3 to 1/2.5 Slingsby Dart, HP18, ASW12 (as a change from the '17).

The Shark and Silente 2 also have the advantage of having an electric motor in the nose of the full-size.

You say you have the Gennisis 11 plans already Cliff. Could you give me some more detail please.
Brian

A Ross-Zanonia RS-1 would be lovely. I've done the 3D modelling of the fuselage, and sent it off to a French chap on RCG who had designed the wing and was going to do the fuselage formers, but I've heard nothing back in about 12 months

4 to 5m span would be great please

The wing is no problem. Mt 3-view is the most accurate one available with information taken from the actual glider

https://scalesoaring.co.uk/VINTAGE/3-vi ... anonia.pdf

Sure can - I have a SolidWorks part file to send over - can you PM me an email address? Thanks Vince - I actually used your 3 view to create the fuselage model.

Cliffis out for the afternoon, but his email is:
cliff.evans AT blueyonder.co.uk

Many thanks Vince, email sent.

Hi Cliff
would also like to see more modern/new ish look gliders like the Me7,Edgley EA-9 Optimist,Libelle, and a vintage favorite of mine Cumulus 3

Dave

The IS-28's have been grounded for a number of years following the demise of the manufacturer and legal interpretation of the acceptable calendar life of the airframes. This has (in some countries) recently been sorted out. In the UK there should be a few IS-28's coming back on line soon.

The IS-30 and IS-32 are also affected, though as far as I know not yet fully resolved! Always enjoyed my hours in them all!

Gordon

Always thought the SZD 24 Foka would model in wood OK as a light structure with an overglassed forward section as per the full size). Nice clean lines but satisfyingly retro in overall appearance. Quarter or third scale. The ailerons look frighteningly small on the full size, but I guess could have the option of being non scale on the model.

At the other extreme, a Scud 2 in third scale with an HQ section wing as a very light subject (should be a fairly simple plan though!). Again, you could always give the builder the option of a non scale wing plan to avoid the bulbous and draggy ailerons.

Or even a Scud three!

Cliff, a third scale Standard Cirrus I am sure would make a nice flying model. I may be rather biased as it was my first glass glider. Regards John.

I'm sure it would fly a lot better than this one but it was only 1/5 scale and a long, long time ago:

Robbie, that looks like the Mick Trew Cirrus. I seem to remember it being interesting in the tip stall and low speed handling. Having had some great soaring in the full size I would hope it would be fairly benign at third scale. The Cirrus would see off the ASW 15 at the club ,especially in the climb. Regards John.

Spot on John - the only change I would make to your comments would be changing the 'interesting' to 'exciting'. Could really bite you on the you-know-what if you weren't careful.

That brings back memories. I had a Mike Trew Std Cirrus, glass fuselage and foam wings though, it was my second scale glider the first one was a Swallow from the same stable, now that bit on it's maiden flight. I didn't notice any nasty tendencies with my Cirrus and enjoyed it immensely, I always flew it from the slope so maybe that helped.

Hi Cliff a 1/3 SHK would be nice it's not a modern glider but was the last all wooden glider built just as glass was making an impact.

Keith

Yes Cliff I have one but have been waiting for 6 months for the wing plans and canopy and quite frankly I'm frustrated to hell, the man does not reply to Emails or phone calls so I'm kind of stuffed. Sorry to rant.

Keith

Thanks Cliff.

Keith

Again Cliff thanks.

Keith

Okaaaay,at the risk of incurring cliff,s wrath,l reeeeally want a Blanik L-13!!!!!!,1/4 or better would be,for me,pure nirvana...….the current offerings on the market are way out of my price range,so maybe cliff and his laser can scratch this itch for me??????????

Oldershaw O-3
Please see my post?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2702

SZD-8 Jaskolka scale 1:2,5 please. That would be really great!

what about rubiks gobe , unusual design, very marmite i think
would be nice around 4mtr i think

Talk to Midland Gliding Club, they hated their full size one.

have flown in one as a passenger / pupil,
not the best glide in world has to be said, quick and snappy, but once on way down that’s it
just an usual shape.

SZD 36 Cobra, a beautiful plane and rarely modelled.

Would be marvellous in 1:3 scale, and I'd definitely build one after the 1:3 Jaskolka and all the other stuff on my list...

Elliot Howells wrote: ↑27 Oct 2019, 21:53 SZD 36 Cobra, a beautiful plane and rarely modelled.

Would be marvellous in 1:3 scale, and I'd definitely build one after the 1:3 Jaskolka and all the other stuff on my list...

Hi Ell,

Did you see Skyhawk's scratch-build on this site? Beautiful craftsmanship. viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1351

Rog

Cliff Evans wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 19:24 1/3 scale SZD-8 Jaskolka is being drawn up now!

Great news! This is such a beauty. Would it be possible to scale it up to 1/2,5?

Yes, that's great news Cliff. Looking forward to seeing your solution to the Fowler flap hinging.
Rgds
Mike

The earlier types of the SZD-8 had Fowler Flaps unlike the popularly modelled 'bis' and later series which the plan is based on. From factory drawings of the 'bis', there appears to be no rearward movement of the flaps with the flap just dropping away slightly from the wing rear edge whilst rotating, creating only a slotted flap.

The fuselage difference between early and later series Jaskolka is in the nose detail as can be seen from this 3-view. The John Watkins model plans are quite correct for the early Jaskolka.

Cliff/Vince
Any chance of 1 14 scale version of the flap hinges being produced?
Mike

That should have read 1/4 scale.....

Looks good Cliff simple but effective.

Keith

and if you can make them cheaper than Robart...

https://robart.com/products/fowler-flap-hinge-1-5-scale

Very interesting work Cliff, exciting!

Ell.

Hi Cliff

Would PSS jets fit the frame ?

Currently, I'm working on an Aermacchi MB339 (quite small at 54" span), but, would like to tackle something larger...maybe a Hunter, Meteor or such like....open to what's feasible really.

Regards,
Dave

Thanks Cliff I'll get in touch and will look forward to the new PSS section - I've got much to learn !
Dave

How big do you want your Meteor? I have a tame builder just finishing off the prototype for me of a 56" span / 65" long MK3 / Mk4 Meatbox.

How about an Astir?? or even a Twin Astir??...l have fond memories of both,though the rear cockpit of the twin was tight for anyone over munchkin hieght

Thanks for the munchkin description I took a student post solo pilot in a twin astir II around a 300 km from the back seat, I'm not that small!.. no problems for me , but thanks for bringing back that memory for me

It's been 2 years plus, but wondering if there is any further activity for the RS-1 Zanonia? I would be interested in a set of plans. Thanks.

The Zanonia designer seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

Was that me or someone else? Mine is about 80% done now.

No Andy, It was someone else that was doing one. I emailed you to ask how yours was doing. Can the forum have a copy when finished please?

Yup will do, as soon as I've built one and proven her out.

Great stuff. Thanks Andy.

I have been looking for ages for a 4m version of the Horten IV, seeing as a well-developed and flown version exists with 5m plans, and is already on the SSUK site, how about a laser-cut kit of this beauty in a 4m size ? It looks absolutely extraordinary in flight, and as the model is well-developed already, once the wing twist is respected, it will be a great flier.

others?
For me, 1/5 scale easier to build, transport and store.. (maybe I'm the only guy with this problem?)
SHK 3.4m and the C-30 Edelweiss are both beautiful V-tail machines that would be amazing in a 3.5-4m size

For something hugely modern, the GP-15 looks amazing.

And the ASW15B is a perennial favourite, only Mibo build a 4m, and its hugely expensive.
I see on your excellent laser cut sailplanes you have a 4.8m version. Again maybe 3.5m size please, a jump smaller?

You should try some of them . It will be great.