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BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 09:16
by wookman
It hasn't happened yet. But it will unless we take action.

The Dartmoor National Park Authority are in the process of updating the bylaws which govern the activities allowed within the National Park. They are for the most part just common sense written into a legal document, BUT...

Here is the current bylaw governing kite and model glider flying on the moor.



18 Kites and Model Aircraft

(i) No person shall fly a kite or model glider from the access land in such a manner as to give reasonable cause for annoyance to any other person or in such a manner as is likely to startle or disturb stock on the land.

(ii)No person shall release any power-driven model aircraft for flight or control the flight of such an aircraft on or over the access land unless he is authorised to do so by the Authority.

(iii) For the purpose of this byelaw “model aircraft” means an aircraft which either weighs not more than 5 kilograms without its fuel or is for the time being exempted (as a model aircraft) from provisions of the Air Navigation Order and “power driven” means driven by the combustion of petrol vapour or other combustible vapour or other combustible substances or by one or more electric motors.



I think it is safe to say that we all support this position.

Here are the proposed new bylaws that might come into force soon.



20 Kites, model aircraft and drones

(i) No person shall fly a kite from or over the Access Land in such a manner as to give reasonable cause for annoyance to any other person or in such a manner as is likely to startle or disturb stock or wildlife on the land.

(ii) No person shall launch any model aircraft or drone from the Access Land unless authorised to do so by the owner of the land and the Authority.

(iii) No person shall operate any model aircraft or drone over the Access Land at a height or location that may disturb stock or wildlife or cause a nuisance to another person.



Please note that model glider has been removed from clause (i) and that power driven has been removed from clause (ii).

This is effectively going to ban model gliding on Dartmoor as the process of obtaining permission from the land owner and the authority is going to be virtually impossible.

We need to act now. If we do not, slope soaring on Dartmoor could be banned by next spring.

There is a consultancy document out now https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/about-us/wh ... nsultation

Please take the time to look at it and fill it in.

If Dartmoor National Park Authority get away with this, how long will it be before all the other national parks follow suit and then the National Trust too?

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 09:59
by Cliff Evans
I have forwarded this to the BMFA.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 10:21
by wookman
Thanks Cliff. Our area rep is onto it too. But it all helps. Filling in the survey can't do any harm either. Grab a coffee and take a look everyone.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 10:25
by Cliff Evans
I have filled it in on behalf of SSUK but, please do go and put your voices in!

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 11:17
by Barry_Cole
Cliff Evans wrote: 25 Sep 2021, 09:59 I have forwarded this to the BMFA.
Me too

8-)

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 11:57
by Peter Balcombe
wookman wrote: 25 Sep 2021, 09:16 It hasn't happened yet. But it will unless we take action.

The Dartmoor National Park Authority are in the process of updating the bylaws which govern the activities allowed within the National Park. They are for the most part just common sense written into a legal document, BUT...

Here is the current bylaw governing kite and model glider flying on the moor.



18 Kites and Model Aircraft

(i) No person shall fly a kite or model glider from the access land in such a manner as to give reasonable cause for annoyance to any other person or in such a manner as is likely to startle or disturb stock on the land.

(ii)No person shall release any power-driven model aircraft for flight or control the flight of such an aircraft on or over the access land unless he is authorised to do so by the Authority.

(iii) For the purpose of this byelaw “model aircraft” means an aircraft which either weighs not more than 5 kilograms without its fuel or is for the time being exempted (as a model aircraft) from provisions of the Air Navigation Order and “power driven” means driven by the combustion of petrol vapour or other combustible vapour or other combustible substances or by one or more electric motors.



I think it is safe to say that we all support this position.

Here are the proposed new bylaws that might come into force soon.



20 Kites, model aircraft and drones

(i) No person shall fly a kite from or over the Access Land in such a manner as to give reasonable cause for annoyance to any other person or in such a manner as is likely to startle or disturb stock or wildlife on the land.

(ii) No person shall launch any model aircraft or drone from the Access Land unless authorised to do so by the owner of the land and the Authority.

(iii) No person shall operate any model aircraft or drone over the Access Land at a height or location that may disturb stock or wildlife or cause a nuisance to another person.



Please note that model glider has been removed from clause (i) and that power driven has been removed from clause (ii).

This is effectively going to ban model gliding on Dartmoor as the process of obtaining permission from the land owner and the authority is going to be virtually impossible.

We need to act now. If we do not, slope soaring on Dartmoor could be banned by next spring.

There is a consultancy document out now https://www.dartmoor.gov.uk/about-us/wh ... nsultation

Please take the time to look at it and fill it in.

If Dartmoor National Park Authority get away with this, how long will it be before all the other national parks follow suit and then the National Trust too?
Is this requirement much different from the current need to have agreement in the form of a licence to fly from National Trust land. The WMSA club have had such a licence for many years in order to fly from Crook Peak & the White Sheet club will have a similar licence.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Sep 2021, 13:03
by wookman
"Is this requirement much different from the current need to have agreement in the form of a licence to fly from National Trust land. The WMSA club have had such a licence for many years in order to fly from Crook Peak & the White Sheet club will have a similar licence."

Possibly not but that is not the point.
At the moment anybody can go to the moor and fly a model glider in a responsible way.
If the current changes go though you will need permission from both landowner and Park Authority to do something that can freely do now.
That is the point.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 19 Oct 2021, 21:10
by wookman
https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/Article ... n-required

Latest from BMFA.

Please do take the time to try and stop what is effectively going to be a BAN on model gliding within Dartmoor National Park.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 00:04
by Cliff Evans
Done..

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 07:09
by wookman
Thanks Cliff. This is the thin edge of what could be a very wide wedge. Even if you do not fly on Dartmoor or plan to it is so important to respond to the survey. If they get this through it could be the North York Moors, The Peak District or The Lake District next.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 08:25
by Antonia
Done..

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 08:35
by Phill Tadman
Done

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 22:43
by wookman
Thanks Antonia, thanks Phill.
Please keep them coming.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 23:27
by Barry_Cole
Done

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 09:24
by Peter Balcombe
Done.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 11:00
by Mike F
Done

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 12:06
by Dave_Camp
OK, done
Dave Camp

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 22:22
by geoff_crew
Done


Geoff

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 07:25
by wookman
Thank you all for taking the time to do the survey. Hopefully we can get this changed.
PLEASE if anyone else can fill in the survey DO.
Hopefully we can make a difference.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 09:08
by Andrew Ray
Done just now only took a few minutes.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 24 Oct 2021, 21:50
by Jolly Roger
Done.

10 minutes well spent.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 24 Feb 2022, 10:55
by wookman
Update on the situation with repsect to the revision of the Dartmoor national park authority bylaws.

DNPA have recently released the following:



Work continues on review of Dartmoor's byelaws


Dartmoor National Park Authority has today provided a progress update on work to update Dartmoor’s byelaws.

On 3 September 2021 a report was taken to Authority seeking approval to launch a review of the current byelaws. At that meeting, Members approved the proposals, including a formal consultation with the public and stakeholders.

The six-week consultation, which closed in November 2021, attracted nearly 4,000 responses, which a team of National Park Officers have been carefully analysing.

Dr Kevin Bishop, Chief Executive of Dartmoor National Park Authority, said: “We’re committed to ensuring Dartmoor has an updated set of byelaws which are fit for purpose, seek a consistent approach where appropriate to do so, and help protect the National Park in years to come.

“We appreciate that people will want to know what’s going on and that’s why we felt it was important to provide this review update. We’re carefully and methodically working through all of the responses received. This is time well spent and is critical to the decision-making process and will continue into February.

“Further work will then be informed by impact and sustainability assessments, evidence and legal advice. In view of this, we’re not yet in a position to schedule a firm date for when proposals will go to Authority. We hope it will be this summer, but it is still too soon to know whether that is possible.

“However, we will continue to keep people updated as we go. While the review remains in progress, it’s important that everyone continues to respect the current byelaws. In doing so, you’re helping to ‘leave no trace, give nature space’ and are protecting this special landscape for everyone to enjoy.”



So for the time being we carry on as before. The operation of unpowered model aircraft is permitted within the National Park. The operation of powered model aircraft or drones generally remains prohibited.

Re: BAN on Model gliding on Dartmoor

Posted: 25 Feb 2022, 08:28
by Cliff Evans
Thanks for the update.